Chuck Woolery on Assault Weapons

How stupid can the anti-gun bully-by-proxy feminized deltas get - Chuck shows them the door with a bit of wit and a few bumper sticker worthy points.

Killed on duty, a close look at details

The most recent facts available from the FBI on Law Enforcement Officers killed while on duty. The entire set of details are here.

I am most interested in this information: Officers Feloniously Killed

Here is an example of the ignorant and incorrect information we will see from "so called" gun owners who are typically so "Zumboed" in their rotten statist brains that they do not understand that their ignorance is only helping the anti-gunners.

A man who is open carrying will be robbed of his gun. There is a place for guns, but not on ones hip amongst the general public unless you want to be target. Criminals always have the jump on you, you never see it coming. Open carry does not deter anyone, it only marks you as a target. For the record 50% of police officers who are shot are shot with their own weapon. - Internet commandos obsessed with "tactical"

So I wanted to review the actual FACTS because it seems that so many are so conditioned to believe that begging for a right and then paying for that begging (CCW) somehow gives the lemming some sort of "superior" state-approved mantle of authority.

FACT: In 2010, 56 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty.

FACT: Of all the officers killed in 2010, most 55 were killed with firearms.

FACT: 7 officers were killed with their own weapons. (6 if you discount Puerto Rico)

FACT: Line-of-duty deaths occurred in 22 states and Puerto Rico.

FACT: 38 of the officers feloniously killed were wearing body armor

FACT: December is the most dangerous month, Wednesday is the most dangerous day, between 8:01 p.m. and midnight the most dangerous time, 57 of the offenders had prior criminal arrests, 19 were under judicial supervision, 17 were under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and 25 offenders were white 35 were black.

I want to review just how the seven killed with their own firearms were attacked. I actually wish more information about the type of holsters and situations were available. Please feel free to add to this as a learning tool - how do the following apply if at all to an armed citizen.


California

A 27-year-old officer with the Riverside Police Department (RPD) was killed with his service weapon during a traffic pursuit about 9:45 p.m. on November 7. The officer, who had 4 years of law enforcement experience, was on patrol when he received information from dispatchers regarding a semi-truck that had been involved in a hit-and-run accident. The officer saw the truck and attempted to pull the vehicle over. The driver pulled the truck over and exited. The officer’s dashboard camera showed the individual removing a bar from the rear of his waistband and running into a nearby park. The officer, who was wearing body armor, called for assistance and began a foot chase. An eyewitness said that the officer slipped while chasing the man. While the officer was on the ground, the man struck the victim officer several times with the bar. At some point, the suspect disarmed the victim officer and fired three rounds at the officer from his service weapon, a .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun. Two rounds missed the officer, but the third struck him fatally in the side of the head at close range. The victim officer was taken to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead. The dashboard camera from the officer’s vehicle showed the suspect getting back in the truck and fleeing the scene. The RPD, the Inland Regional Apprehension Team, and the FBI searched for the suspect. Officers located the suspect on November 9 and kept surveillance on him until a tactical team could arrive to arrest the suspect. In the early morning of November 10, officers also recovered the victim officer’s weapon. The 44-year-old suspect, who was on parole at the time of the incident, had a prior criminal record that included violent crime, police assault, and drug and weapons violations. He was charged with Murder, Violation of Parole, and a Local Ordinance Violation.

Does this have any application to an armed citizen?

Colorado

A deputy sheriff from the Weld County Sheriff’s Office was shot and killed in Evans while pursuing a robbery suspect on November 23. The 43-year-old deputy sheriff, who had 8 years of law enforcement experience, and his partner were dispatched to assist in a pursuit that was entering from a neighboring county and involved an armed and dangerous suspect that was connected with an armed robbery. Around 10:45 a.m., the deputies joined in the pursuit. Just after 11 a.m., the pursuit ended, and the suspect initially refused to exit the vehicle he was driving. The suspect was pulled from his vehicle and stood upright with his back against the vehicle. He immediately began punching, fighting, and struggling against the officers. During the altercation, the suspect and the deputies fell to the ground. The suspect gained possession of the deputy’s firearm, a .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun, and shot him three times. The victim deputy received injuries in his front upper torso/chest area and on his arms/hands. One bullet entered the deputy’s bulletproof vest at an extremely shallow angle and traveled through several layers of the vest. The bullet exited the top panel of the vest, striking the veteran deputy fatally in the head and killing him instantly. Following this, the 20-year-old suspect, who had a prior criminal record including violent crime, police assault, and drug and weapons violations, was justifiably killed by other officers at the scene.

From photographs this department seems to use a strap-lock style holster.

Chicago

A 43-year-old patrol officer with the Chicago Police Department (CPD) was shot and killed in an ambush in the parking lot of the CPD’s Tactical Response Unit around 3:45 p.m. on July 7. The patrol officer, who had nearly 12 years of law enforcement experience, was standing at the back of his personal vehicle removing his gear at the end of his shift when a man approached and attacked him. The offender gained control of the veteran patrol officer’s 9 mm semiautomatic handgun and shot the patrol officer several times. The patrol officer suffered gunshot wounds to the neck, chest, and a fatal wound to the front of his head. Another officer wounded the 24-year-old man, who was arrested and charged with First-Degree Murder and 4 counts of Attempted Murder. The offender was a known drug user who had a prior criminal record that included violent crime, police assault, and drug and weapons violations. Further investigation revealed that individuals had heard him say earlier in the day that he was going to kill the police.

Photos show CPD must have a large selection of mixed leather, and hard side strap style, level 2 button style and some level one pressure fit holsters.

Mississippi

At 8:35 p.m. on August 6, a patrol officer with the Jackson Police Department was killed with his service weapon while transporting a prisoner. The 31-year-old patrol officer, who had 10 years of law enforcement experience, and another officer were transporting a suspect to a detention center; a third officer was in a vehicle following them. During the transport, the suspect was handcuffed but was able to escape from the vehicle and flee on foot. The veteran patrol officer, who was wearing body armor, pursued the individual on foot, while his partner and the third officer tried to cut off the man using their patrol vehicles. Shortly after losing sight of the patrol officer and suspect, the other two officers heard a gunshot but were unable to make contact with the patrol officer. The two officers contacted their command center and began a search. The victim officer was found submerged in a creek; his service weapon, a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun, was missing. The victim officer, who had been fatally shot once at close range in the front of the head, was taken by helicopter to an area hospital where he was pronounced dead. When the 24-year-old suspect was found later, he was still wearing handcuffs. He was arrested and charged with Capital Murder of a Law Enforcement Officer, Escape, and Convicted Felon in Possession of a Firearm. The suspect was a known drug user who was on probation at the time of the incident. He had a prior criminal record for violent crime, police assault, and drug and weapons violations.

Mixed leather strap-style and level 3 leather covered holsters.


North Carolina

A 62-year-old deputy sheriff with the Tippah County Sheriff’s Department, was shot and killed in Ripley around 4:30 in the morning on December 3. He and another deputy were responding to a domestic disturbance call. When they arrived on the scene, the deputies encountered an uncooperative suspect in the driveway of the residence. The first deputy was attempting to restrain the man when the suspect gained control of the deputy’s service weapon, .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun, and shot the other deputy twice. The victim deputy, a 7-year veteran of law enforcement, was struck in the front lower torso/stomach area and fatally in the front upper chest. He died at the scene. The weapon jammed after the assailant had fired the two shots, so the other deputy was able to subdue the suspect until responders arrived to assist with the arrest. The 26-year-old suspect, who was on parole at the time of the incident, was charged with Capital Murder.


No photos available.

Puerto Rico

The Puerto Rico Department of Environment and Natural Resources lost two of its rangers on March 23 at 12:30 a.m. while they were on guard duty at the agency’s facility in San Juan. Each of the rangers was 30 years old and each had nearly 6 years of law enforcement experience. Both rangers, who were wearing body armor, were going about their normal duties, unaware that two men who intended to steal their service weapons were watching them. The two men had maintained their surveillance for more than an hour when one of the rangers left the guard station to go on his rounds within the property, leaving the other ranger alone in the small building. The would-be robbers then climbed over the fence surrounding the property and entered the guard shack. One of the perpetrators, a 23-year-old man, pointed a .45-caliber handgun at the ranger. The ranger fell to the ground in surprise, and the attacker attempted to take the ranger’s 9 mm semiautomatic service handgun. A short struggle ensued as the ranger fought to keep possession of his weapon, but the attacker gained control and shot the victim ranger with the service weapon, striking him in the arms and hands. The shooter handed one of the handguns to the second perpetrator, a 35-year-old man. Meanwhile, the second ranger, who had detected the intruders, moved to a position in front of the guard station near a large rock where he opened fire on the two assailants with his service weapon, also a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun. The 23-year-old attacker was shot in the left calf. After a few more shots were exchanged, the second ranger fell to the ground, mortally wounded when a bullet from his partner’s stolen 9 mm service handgun struck him in the side of his head. The 23-year-old attacker went to the body to steal the fallen ranger’s service handgun, but he could not find the weapon. He returned to the guard station and saw that the first ranger was still moving. He shot the ranger fatally in the side of the head. Because of the attacker’s calf wound, he was unable to jump over the fence that they had scaled to enter the property. The pair then stole a truck that was parked next to the guard shack and drove it through the gate that was locked with a chain. They joined a third man, a 21-year-old, who was part of the original robbery plan, and fled to the home of the 23-year-old man. Later that morning, the 21-year-old and the 35-year-old suspects were detained in an unrelated traffic stop. When police searched the vehicle, they found the 9 mm service weapon belonging to the first victim ranger. All three men, who were known to use drugs and who were under the influence of narcotics, were subsequently arrested. The 23-year-old man was charged with Carjacking and Murder. The 35-year-old man was charged with Carjacking, Murder, Stolen Weapon, and Interstate Commerce. The 21-year-old man was charged with Possession of a Stolen Firearm and Accessory After the Fact.

Level 2 and 3 leather covered and hard side holsters.

I am looking at the other instance and will add this later.

Anti-gun statists and the gun owners that aid them

"The whole CC (concealed carry) vs. OC (open carry) debate was started by legitimate training companies to drive up sales, nothing more. Every advocate of CC versus OC is a training company, or a supporter of such companies." - AZ boots n saddles

I have to agree, our friend AZ may have a point, a point followed by something possibly darker and harder to nail down - the unconscious acceptance of government authority over a right that has become regulated.

Would there be any arguments in the gun community if concealed carry did not involve begging our oppressive government for approval to do something guaranteed by our constitution? How many recognize that our personal arms are the only personal property specifically protected by the Constitution and the anti-Federalist Bill of Rights?

Emotional and irrational statements, statistically untenable propositions, derogatory attacks and decent into juvenile verbiage - the signs of the typical statist anti-gunner, yes but sadly it has become the standard signs of the new anti-OC/only CC is viable proponents, a bunch similar to the haughty hunting-only elitists like the disgraced (black rifle hoplophobe) Zumbo.

Here is a typical anti-gun person confronted with the facts disbelief  and cognitive dissonance when their irrational fanciful FAITH is shattered with EVIDENCE.

 "Carrying a gun is very dangerous. No doubt this data will be corrected soon to show that there have been dozens (or hundreds) of deaths due to road rage, arguments over parking spaces, lover's quarrels and the like. And likely thousands of deaths due to negligent discharges. The manslaughter cases for the NDs are probably still working their way through the courts, along with the murder cases. There's no way almost 403,000 people with concealed carry licenses could only produce one murder and no manslaughters. That would mean everything I've been taught about the extreme dangers of concealed carry is wrong. And that's just ... unpossible(sic)."

No, mr. cognitive-dissonance-educationally-indoctrinated-statist it is a FACT as uncomfortable as you may think it is - it IS a fact.

The above was in response to:

"In 2009 there were 402,914 people in Texas who had Concealed Handgun Licenses. During that same year there was exactly ONE CHL holder convicted of murder, ZERO Capital Murder, ZERO Manslaughter. On that one conviction, we don’t even know if the CHL was relevant. He/she may have done murder by knife for all we know. There were 577 convictions for these crimes of citizens who did not have CHLs. Out of the 402K people who had CHLs it is reasonable to assume that there were cases in which the CHL holder used their gun in self-defense, even if no shots were fired."

 Texas state statistics may be viewed here

How about more facts: Buckeye Firearms Association

Myth 3: Concealed carry will result in increases in gun related deaths, accidents, road rage and crime in general. Letting (simple, untrained and unwashed) civilians (dirty rednecks) carry concealed will result in gun fights in the streets and the "wild west" in our neighborhoods.
Fact 3: Exactly the opposite happens. Fact 3a: As of 2002 RTC states had 24% lower total violent crime, 22% lower murder, 37% lower robbery, and 20% lower aggravated assault when compared with non-RTC states (FBI crime statistics). "Concerns that permit holders would lose their tempers in traffic accidents have been unfounded. Worries about risks to police officers have also proved unfounded...
National surveys of police show they support concealed handgun laws by a 3-1 margin... There is also not a single academic study that claims RTC laws have increased state crime rates. The debate among academics has been over how large the benefits have been" ("Should Michigan keep new concealed weapon law? Don't believe gun foe scare tactics," Detroit News, 1/14/01).

 Concealed carry statistics

 99.9% of self-defense firearms uses do not result in fatal shootings of criminals, an important factor ignored in certain "studies" that are used to claim that guns are more often misused than used for self-protection. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.

Then we deal with what you typically see from the gun-ignorant feminized statists in "journalism"

"...people shooting other people for small-time offenses, like stealing the hub caps off cars."

No factual statistics, no evidence, this statement is of course completely wrong!

"...people hitting bystanders while firing at criminals."

Wrong again.

"...people shooting at criminals then being shot by police who mistake them for criminals during gunfights."


Wrong again.

"...people simply blowing their top and waving around handguns to express their anger."

Wrong again.

"The list of things that can and will go wrong is far longer and more likely than the effective use of a handgun."

Statistical evidence has proven this not just wrong but completely opposed to the statement.

That's because 98 percent of these gun enthusiasts won't have a clue.

Nice little condescending derogatory non-fact pulled from some hack's nether parts. Not only do I have a clue, but all of the range users I meet are all far more competent and practiced than any police officer I have ever known.

They will have no idea of the laws surrounding self-protection and deadly force.

I have yet to meet a shooter that is not so well versed in the laws that police typically ignorant of (and that should be their job). How many of you are aware that many police departments have a policy of not hiring people with IQs that are "too high"?

They will receive no formal training either in using their weapon or when to use it. They will not regularly practice with that weapon to make sure they can actually hit what they are pointing at. And they most likely won't know how to maintain that weapon or take the time to do so.

Didn't we go over this stupid pathetic myth before?

Oh yea... here. (So mr. Journalist hack - please go intercourse yourself with a computer mouse)

"In short, they will have the same fire power as police officers, but without any of the training, preparation and practice to handle an actual deadly force event"

He is right on one point, most shooters I know could actually outfit several police with better firearms, equipment. Counter to what our lickspittle "journalist"so offensively has written most shooters could teach them more about the law, shooting, and politeness.

So again we see such a mass of ignorance that I would cry if I actually cared about the typically leftist statist college-puke man-vagina. (link to the above stupidity)

In conclusion, please if you are a gun owner and an advocate of gun rights understand that CC or OC both prevent crime, stop thinking that somehow the propaganda by advertisers, NRA RHINO whores, instructors who make a living helping you beg for your rights and the anti-gun statists who love to see us trash each other - remember.

Gentlemen we must all hang together or we shall surely all hang (by the neck) separately - Benjamin Franklin

 Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?

 "Our conclusion from the available data is that suicide, murder and violent crime rates are determined by basic social, economic and/or cultural factors with the availability of any particular one of the world’s myriad deadly instrument being irrelevant."

The bolt action rifle, rapid bolt manipulation and follow-up

Personal Critical Review of Firearms - SMLE Lee-Enfield rifles

Short Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle

I am going to talk only at a general level, I don't want to go into the SMLE variants there are too many.

Personal - Ugly, sorry but I think this rifle is about the ugliest bolt action rifle ever designed. I dislike the cock on closing bolt. I have owned or fired several of the many versions, I liked the Indian .308 version the best (Ishapore .308 rifles were cheep as dirt a few years ago) I also found it to be the most accurate of any I have shot. I dislike rimmed cartridges and unlike the 7.62r used in the Mosin-Nagant the .303 is a bit anemic for the size.

Function - it's a bolt action, as long as the ammo does not damage the gun, everything is in safe working order, and the feeding is unimpaired the user is all that is needed. Like the Mauser, 1903A3, and Mosin-Nagant they can be dependable and accurate if in good condition and well made.

Design flaws - Rear locking requires good metallurgy in the bolt, a poorly made bolt of inferior metals can be unsafe to fire.

Quality - depending on the maker quality is all over the map, many of the third world copies are poorly made and older service rifles can be damaged or poorly maintained.

Caliber/Ammunition - .303 is an obsolete rimmed round and surplus ammunition can be of questionable quality. The .303 is a serviceable cartridge for hunting and defense capable of good accuracy, because of its primitive design it can be used well with cast lead, paper patched bullets and black powder.

Use - again this is a bolt action, a trained monkey could operate this rifle, poorly made or maintained rifles can be nominal in accuracy and many in good working order are extremely accurate.

Current Production - This is an obsolete rifle, but the numbers of former production are huge, literally tons of rifles exist, there are two obscure small manufacturers that produce new models one makes a version that uses AK mags and fires the 7.62x39 round (they may have stopped production) and one company that makes a new .308 version.

I would consider this rifle a good possible trade item and a "throw down" for arming friendlies, not even a secondary choice for MBR, without a doubt I would consider the SVT40, M1, FN49 or even the SKS a better secondary choice.

Building a firearm collection for preparedness Part 2

More thoughts on a collection for preparedness and additions.

1. Caliber compatibility - the more weapons that share ammunition the easier it is to store and keep a handle on.

2. How is the caliber ranked for range and power? (suitability for large US game for hunting)

3. Is it suitable for reloading? (hand-loading used brass)

4. Is it readially available? (both weapons and ammunition)

5. What is the cost vs. value?
6. Are there auto-loading rifles and or magazines available in this caliber? (ten rounds and up)

7. Will there be sources of ammunition later and if not is this a concern?

8. Are reliable weapons with spare parts available (for spare/repair parts stocking)

9. Are they reasonably accurate? - 20 rounds 8 inches in less than two min. (That will kick out a bunch of rifles).
We are not talking about delusions of the mall ninjas - I for one will be bugging in place if the need arises. We want to think about how many uses this can be matched to and if they fit the needs of your area.

I hand-load/reload so even current availability issues are almost always limited to concerns pertaining to the availability of components rather than new or surplus ammunition.
I have posted before, pistols just don't hold the same interest for me as rifles, I have them, I think they are necessary, but I don't put much stock in them past that possible "oh, crap" situation - like an attempted car-jacking or similar problem, and as I said it would be a last resort only if the fear of harm is imminent and then "no sword is sheathed without drawing blood" concept applies - the proper tool at the proper time, only when needed.
I also was looking over the load books to confirm and here is the general run down I found (changes from book to book, but they generally follow this trend).

7.62x54R Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type 150 gr
Velocity 3,000 ft/s
Energy 2,905 ft·lbf

The 7.92x57mm IS (8mm Mauser) Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type (.323 inch) 181 gr
Velocity 2,700 ft/s
Energy 2,902 ft·lbf

30-06 Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type 150 gr
Velocity 2,900 ft/s
Energy 2,820 ft·lbf

30-06 Ballistic performance (M2 ball cartridge)
Bullet weight/type 152 gr
Velocity 2,740 ft/s
Energy 2,650 ft·lbf

7.62x51 (.308) Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type146.6 gr
Velocity 2,756 ft/s
Energy 2,472 ft·lbf

Note this information is for "time era" factory or surplus loadings, modern loads designed for modern powders in new manufacture bolt action rifles can "UP" the power of the 30-06 but this would be damaging or dangerous in the M1, M1917, or 03A3.

The two highest are 7.62x54R and 7.92x57 then 30-06 and then 7.62x51 - if you look at commercial .308 rather than 7.62x51 then you find that it comes within and in some cases surpass 30-06. (again this could be problematic or dangerous for weaker actions such as the M1a or older rifles like the Spanish 7.62x51 conversion Mausers)

The common thought out there is that 30-06 is the most potent, but the numbers prove that the Russian round is the hottest. Also contrary to popular misinformation .308 commercial rounds have a higher pressure and loading parameters than the NATO rounds and so would chart higher.
Using the basic thoughts and my already chosen calibers I was thinking about getting one of the new Remington .223 pump action rifles that takes an AR magazine and a .308 bolt action rifle from Savage. I would order both with iron sights, this would be the logical thing, but there is the CZ52 and the PPSH41 semi-auto I have been eyeballing (to satisfy my curiosity). Logic may prevail and I may get a second SU16CA as it is cheeper than the Remington, and I may get one or two of the Spanish Mausers in .308.
As to shotguns - I had forgotten to list them,  you need one. I don't have one for myself but, my wife has an 870 riot gun for home protection (yes it is hers, she made me buy one for her) and my oldest son has an 870 pump fitted with a slug barrel that has interchangeable choke tubes, both are 12 ga. and are in almost unused condition, simply because we don't use them.
And a high power pellet rifle - I was never a good shot on the wing with a shotgun, but if it lights and I have a post and notch on it, it's in the bag. I note the preponderance of pidgins in our area and in a pinch you would have a hard time telling the meat from a dove.

Building a firearm collection for preparedness

I don't think I need to convince many of you of the possible urgent need to build a collection for preparedness, my view is that we are about to see something of a magnitude not seen in several generations.

With that in mind I wanted to review a few ideas, until now I have shared with others only in private.

What would I do now?

A good question I would want to look at it several ways, I live in a western state that does not have the restrictions of other un-constitutionally infested areas suffer from so I may be free to gather some items not allowed in some states or countries where you may be reading this...

I should start out by saying that I find rifles far more utilitarian than a pistol, but I would suggest a pistol you find comfortable. I do not think you have to have a .40 (something) to be a man - in fact a pistol is a piss poor tool for fighting your way back to the rifle you stupidly left out of reach (my grandfather taught me that).

Pistols first

That said there are reasons to have a pistol and to even apply for your stolen freedoms with a "permit", often just the extraction of your sidearm from its concealed holster will cause a "thug" to back down, but if ever threatened enough to think I ever needed to "pull" there would be no time to back down because that time would have already passed.

I favor the .357 revolver, and contrary to internet commandos, it is a very effective cartridge. The study of police fatal shootings shows the .357 to be far more lethal than most of the other rounds combined. I would gather that if you think the .357 is not "powerful" then you simply need to shoot a .357 with a 158 gr. HP full power load to see for yourself. I have hunted with a .357 in the past and it is a very effective round for hunting even large game. A very accurate round, if you put a scope on a .357 revolver NO ONE will laugh at you, contrary to the snickers you may get with a scope on an AK - there is a reason for that...

I am a fan of the 7.62x25mm Tokarev a hot version of the 7.63x25mm Mauser, very hot and very accurate

I like the 9x18mm Makarov, a small pistol that fires inexpensive ammunition, my wife favors her 9x18mm Makarov above all others.

I standardized on the 9x19mm Parabellum for the simple reason that it is a standard all over the world, ammo is available and inexpensive - not because it is better but because good pistols are easy to find and in the end any pistol is better than nothing. Future supply was the deciding factor.

Oh, and before you start busting my chops, I cut my teeth on .45 1911 pistols because that is what my dad loved, I gave up on the .45 the first time I shot my first .357 and never seriously looked back, and none of my .357 revolvers ever jammed on me - I could never say that about the 1911.

Regardless of what you choose, pick one, practice, stock up on ammo - I keep 500 rounds of factory loaded ammo (or more) for each pistol and components for lots more "home rolled".

You also need a .22 lr pistol - pick one and use it, cheep shooting, I suggest getting a revolver or auto loader to match your main pistol, they even make some conversion kits that are nice to have.

Rifles (damn, I love rifles)

First on the list get a .22 lr rifle in bolt or auto-loader, and continue to shoot it until you get past 2000 rounds before you even think about putting it to the side, take one every time you visit the range.

How would I do it?

I don't like the .223 and certainly don't like the AR platform, but I do (now) have one .223 that survived the recent sell off (I made a bit of coin off this panic and I am still selling and giving away) and it belongs to one of the small children. It is an SU16CA from Kel-tec, embarrassing for Rugar that Kel-tec can make a better rifle for less that uses standard magazines, and is more reliable than the jammin' jenny and more accurate than the POS mini-14 junker.

I did chose to make .308 my standard rifle caliber, but if I were to do this from scratch now I would choose the 7.62x54r...

Why? budget, effectiveness.

I would get an auto-loading mag fed rifle and several turn bolt Mosin Nagant 91/30, 91/59 or M44 rifles (and they are drying up in supply fast).

For the autoloader I would most likely get the Romanian PSL junker with a scope for less than 800 bucks, then sell the scope and replace it with a little 2 or 4 power fixed scope. In fact thinking about this issue with a compatriot I seriously considered selling off my .308 rifle for the cash and getting an Romanian PSL and a SVT40 with a hand full of Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifles for throw-downs.

If the Yugoslavian M76 in 8mm Mauser was less expensive the same thing could be done with 8mm and some M24/47 Yugoslavian Mauser turn bolts, but the autoloader and the ammo is a bit high.

Regardless, keep at least 1000 rounds for each rifle of factory loaded ammo and ONLY shoot reloads you have made for that rifle, keep the factory ammunition for when the need arises.

The reason for the turn bolt in the mix is for several reasons, one is for reloading, if in the worst case you had to shoot black powder and lead bullets you can load black powder, lead bullets (even paper patched/paper jacketed) and even press out primers knock out the firing pin dent and fill them with two or three toy cap gun caps and have a turn bolt rifle that functions. Damn, I hope it never gets down to black powder!

Just some random thoughts about the current situation, trying to look at this without a sense of panic but rather logic. I am afraid that this will be the last reasonable and possible chance before the hammer falls, in just a few weeks the first panic will subside (as it is now) and the second one will hit mid January. I write this knowing I have what I think I need, but I would have liked to keep my habit of trying out new rifles...

Personal Critical Review of Firearms - The how an why of the series

This series of articles was originally posted online as a series of reviews and the occasional rant.

I don't claim to be anything other than a well versed enthusiast, former manufacturer of ammunition, and firearm retail store owner. I keep a collection of various rifles and I rotate them in and out with new additions and thinning down with what meets my fancy at the moment.

I have started dispersing my personal collection to friends and family to encourage some gun ownership and also to follow the concept of one rifle per freedom-ista. One beauty of giving your guns to friends and family is that you can still shoot them from time to time!

I started collecting rifles and reloading at a very young age (reloading at 10, and buying my own rifles at 12, swaging at 15) I worked my entire freshmen year at high school to buy a new and complete reloading bench, presses, swaging dies and supplies.

In college I had gotten involved with the re-enactors as a hobby and spent lots of time with two friends who were class 3 dealers. On my 21 birthday I celebrated by filling out my forms for a Class 6 and FFL for myself (this habit can get bad BTW) I disposed of both the class 6 and FFL after marriage (and facing the fact that I could not make a decent profit in the business).

I don't think I have ever fired a rifle I did not like learning about, but I have developed some personal dislikes and likes over the years for various reasons... There are no bad guns, only design limitations, quality, use, and dealing with the possible belligerent, annoying, and often ignorant, cult members-fans that faun over them.

To break this down logically I needed to come up with a list of categories to evaluate likes and dislikes, facts, reasons, and the needed content for a more full review.

Personal - what items are strictly personal, things like "my hands are too big", "the design is uncomfortable to shoot", "it looks funky", "I hate limey guns (and limeys) and similar items of personal reaction.

Function - there are operational and or design features that lend an element of unreliability.

Design flaws - features or construction can lead to parts breakage or unsafe/dangerous continued operation.

Quality - the majority of samples of the rifle are of poor quality and or construction.

Caliber/Ammunition - the choices of cartridges are limited to obsolete, unusual/hard to find, or poor performing/ineffective for use ammunition.

Use - the rifle is to specific for one use and does not have a wide enough venue of operation (like a collectable or high end hunting rifle, or heavy, shinny, not weather resistant and more).

Current production - While this would not negate a good rifle it could prove to make the rifle hard to repair or even obtain to begin with, availability IS an issue. No new production of units or repair parts could render a rifle useless, many excellent military rifles fit into this problematic category due to obsolescence.

Personal Critical Review of Firearms - Garand - Rifle, Caliber .30, M1

M1 Garand

United States Rifle, Caliber .30, M1



Personal - The M1 is a solid rifle that is limited in choices in bullet weight and performance limited by design features. The M1 suffers from romanticized worship because of the emotional and patriotic cloth it tends to get wrapped within. The rifle is quite heavy by modern standards and has a unique, outdated, obsolete, en-bloc clip feeding system, and severely limited cartridge capacity. Romanticized worship will lend no extra points for me because that same limited view tends to add critical suspicion in my mind.

Function - Can be excellent when clean and properly maintained within a limited ammunition selection, outside of the narrow choices it tends to be problematic, and can be dammaged by excessive pressures and or heavy bullets.

Design flaws - Operating rod is prone to damage, en bloc clip is limited to 8 rounds, pressure outlet port too far forward for effective adjustment outside of limited design parameters. The action is open and will allow contaminates into the working mechanism. Cleaning from the muzzle? Was that necessary, was no alternative ever devised? Loading the 30-06 to its maximum capacity with more modern powders (and different burn ratios) will be dangerous in the standard off-the-rack M1. While the M1 was designed to close by itself when a loaded clip is inserted, many M1 rifles need a push on the op rod handle to get it to close on the first round. The rifle requires the en-bloc clip or a block filling device to feed function - no clip, no functioning...

Quality - Most produced are of good to excellent quality workmanship, some makers better than others. It would be rare to find examples of rifles produced US that were of POOR quality. Surplus examples can be in poor to dangerous condition not due to the original workmanship, construction, or materials but lack of maintenance, poor storage conditions, and heavy use.

Caliber/Ammunition - 30-06, while an accurate and effective cartridge it is large, heavy and obsolete in comparison to newer cartridges. The very shape of the cartridge has been proven to be outperformed in accuracy by the .308 and others with a more “squat” profile. The .30-06 is only marginally more powerful than other newer cartridges.

Use - The lack of a removable and replaceable higher capacity magazine is recognized as a flaw when placed in comparison to other MBRs. The ejection of the en-block clip makes a distinct traaangggggg noise, a result of the design and use of the en-block clip, this particular flaw is likely over-stated (see the video below). The clips can be damaged and lost, in fact the clips were designed to be disposable. this is problematic as the M1 requires the clip to function this can be a problem. The M1 can produce reasonable to excellent accuracy when maintained regularly. The op rod design has a tendency to "beat itself" out of it's own narrow range of higher performance and accuracy - in other words it takes a lot of continuous work, maintenance, and repair to keep the excellent or good part of the possible accuracy. The M1 is often given excessive and undeserved credit in the shooting community for "known accuracy and reliability” when that reputation was gained by meticulous care.



Current Production - I have not had the chance to evaluate the current reproductions or re-works as they tend to be far to expensive, the CMP re-works can be of good to poor condition. Most examples exist as surplus military products.

While there is some patriotism and romanticism attached to the M1 I personally would consider this rifle a secondary choice at best for a current MBR due to the design limitations. The saving grace for the M1 rifle is the popularity, availability of repair parts (now dwindling) and common familiarity. The weakest parts are the operating rod (limiting your ammunition range) and the en-bloc clip.

Rifle - U.S. Cal. .30 M1 - Principles of Operation (1943)

More information has popped up from the original article above.

RSC 1917 et Garand

Personal Critical Review of Firearms - The CZ, Vz-82 9x18 Pistol

CZ, Vz-82 9x18 Pistol

Likely the most inexpensive almost-small concealed carry pistol available, left and right hand friendly and more ergonomic in operation than than the PPK or Makarov.

Česká Zbrojovka is the Czech firearms manufacturers, known collectively as CZ to the gun buyer in the United states. CZ was the real gun company behind the iron curtain the collective was known before the war as a quality center for firearms and later under Soviet domination were known for quality products even under oppression of the hammer and sickle. CZ, Brno and the older ZB - Zbrojovka Brno along with other labels are representative of seven design centers and factories located near the Carpathian Mountains of former Czechoslovakia now the Czech Republic. It is unclear to me now how the CZ logo is used amongst the seven factories, or even what factories are in current operation.

Moravia became the center for the highest quality firearms not only for Bohemia but the entirety of Europe. Moravia also became known for exporting individual gun craftsmen for hundreds of years through migration, many American revolutionary war rifles and later the famous long Kentucky rifle were produced by Moravian craftsmen that had immigrated into Pennsylvania surrounding states.

The Vz 82 pistol is a surprisingly modern design based on the fixed barrel surround spring pocket and small pistol forerunners. The 82 has a reasonable ambidextrous safety lever, and an excellently designed slight beaver tail spur hammer that is easy on the thumb for bypassing the double action trigger when desired. The 82 is a double action/single action pistol with a typical heavy DA but the comfortable longer trigger gives plenty of surface area for reasonable trigger finger operation. Outside of the DA operation the single action trigger pull is also reasonable and relatively light and crisp, again surprising for a military pistol. The 82 has a double stack funneling type magazine that of course makes the grip wider, a big comfort for larger hands like mine, the magazine release is also ambidextrous.

Inexpensive surplus the 82 makes a more than reasonable choice for a small shooter or for concealed carry. The 82 uses the 9x18 Soviet round, the round while often derided is more powerful than the .380 and is without a doubt a small but potent round.

Personal - The double stack magazine makes the grip wider, immediately I liked it better than the Makarov, the safety design is easy to manipulate and the lower top slide seems more like larger pistols. Get a good grip on this thing, the recoil spring that comes with the pistol is just a bit too weak for the round and it can bite into the web of your hand if you are loosy-goosie with the grip. I bought the pistol to replace my wife's Mak and it's double stack magazine and the fact that it uses the 9x18, all requirements she had for a new pistol. The pistol points well, almost as naturally as more modern designs, but it does require a slight downward turn of the wrist.



Note the round capacity holes on the back of the magazine, how many rounds? Quick and easy, a common feature now, but thankfully included on this model's magazine.

Function - The 82 requires a good grip, a loose grip will cause a misfeed as the slide will start a return over the top of the round without striping it from the magazine and lodging over the back of the rim. My wife, who has loved her Mak for years was holding the pistol too low and without a firm enough grip, once she put the web of her hand into the curve, the feed issue stopped. With a reasonable grip on the pistol I and my wife were able to use a mixed bag of surplus (corrosive) and commercial FMJ and HP without any functional problems. The DA is useable and fairly smooth, but significant, it takes some real effort to actuate.

Design flaws - Poor grips, the plastic grips on this example were warped and loose with more than a few cracks. A good wrap-arround rubber grip would make this a dream to shoot. The magazine release is small and difficult to use, completely un-accessable with the thumb from the shooting grip, it is imbedded deep on the side and covered slightly by the grip, the empty double stack magazine does drop free when released.

Quality - I want to say quality first world manufacturing, and I think the metal and design are top shelf, but the "fit and finish" leave a lot to be desired.



I think I know where they (at one time) employed all of their retarded cousins from the Czech-Moravian areas - they put them behind an old whire-wheel and had them blunder over "finishing" the metal. It must have been terrible - the howling from the monkeys, that is - the monkeys they used to sputter the poor quality house paint over the poorly finished (almost butchered) metal. It had to be monkeys because the poor finish was flung onto the metal like only monkeys can fling poo.

I don't know what the satin black paint on the pistol is but I think cheap big-box latex house paint would be a good comparison. After the first magazine the paint on the grip started rubbing off and at the end of the day clear chips were showing on the slide.

If you love "project guns" this is perfect for you. The monkey poo finish the mob of retarded Moravian cousins flung on that pistol model needs to be replaced with something other than the walmart-like latex caked onto the metal. I wish I had known about how bad this finish issue actually was before I sprung the extra for a "less abused" pistol that would need a refinish regardless of how little some cold war era politizi fingered the poor thing.

Now one more thing about the photo above, I used a little bore scrubber on the gun and got some on the finish, thinking I could just dab it off - hell, every spot completely removed the monkey poo - I put a little on a rag and it wiped off no scrubbing just a light rub! Now I need to order something to fix this, I guess I will polish this with some flitz and cold blue the poor thing.

The fixed barrel lends to excellent accuracy from the polygonal barrel, it is clearly on par with my wife's old Ishy Mak and that is excellent. The inclosed firing pin is quite beefy and has a stiff return spring, both excellent features.

I have new grips and a new stiffer recoil spring ordered and on the way.

Note: I ordered the Wolf three spring kit and ended up having to move to the heavy “extra power” spring to try and eliminate all the “bite” that little pistol had.


The new grips from a small company called “Designer Grips” were excellent, and much higher quality than the originals.

Caliber/Ammunition - 9x18 Makarov, I don't know if any kits to convert it over to .380 are available like the Mak but who knows, if there is one, be sure and forward that contact.

Use - With a refinish and new grips it would make a stylish holster rider for open carry and it's size lends itself to concealed with a belt or shoulder holster, it is light and small enough to be comfortable for a double stack higher capacity, but at about 35 oz (2 1/8 lbs) loaded it is a bit hefty for an ankle holster.

Ergonomics - An older but reasonable ergonomic design good for the "average" to large hand, it points well with a slight down point, and the low slide to barrel relation makes accurate aiming quite natural and quick.

Current production - The 82 is surplus no longer in production, but it's commercial brother the 83 (available in .32 and .380) is in current production and from rumor I understand some of the parts are interchangeable the .380 magazine for sure is interchangeable.

Personal Critical Review of Firearms - The Daewoo rifles

Personal - Just as the AR the Daewoo in .223 does not quite qualify as an MBR, more in the category of carbine. Ugly, and utilitarian, it's mean black rifle look is enough to cause Californication wet liberals to urinate themselves. The Daewoo shines with reasonable ergonomics for large people, and almost perfect ergonomics for small adults and older children. This rifle was never considered very accurate especially when stacked against the AR/M16. As you may have noted in the past I prefer the full length fixed stock version of any rifle, but the unique very FN-esque folding stock on the Daewoo is quite sturdy, American rifle makers should take note. One of the several rifles on my list that I heartily regret selling in my sorry habit of gun trading. Far from just a combination of the AR and the AK the Daewoo is a true example of how the Koreans are are a real force to be considered in design, taking features from the AR (bolt and lower), the AK (gas piston) and ALSO the FN-FAL (gas adjustment), HK (buffer) and the precursor to new designs like the ACR and SCAR.

Function - This rifle has AK/HK91 type of reliable function, as close to flawless as you can get in any autoloading rifle. Dusty environments and excessive oil are the most likely to cause malfunctions, unlike the AK the tolerances are more AR like. Note the strange hook slot in the folding stock, where, when folded the bolt charging handle misses hitting the stock to allow firing with a folded stock.


Design flaws - This rifle has all of the typical issues you would see with the lowers from standard AR rifles as the lower internals are similar. The largest issue is the gas piston is just too high above the barrel and the forces cause a degradation in accuracy. The factory selector is funky (not enough to be a real issue) and the gas plug as noted in the video from our friend at Ammosmith is touchy if you are careless.

Quality - Excellent first world production quality of top quality materials. I have only had one example and I never had the "crack" problem some of the later imports showed with the receiver preventing the use of the folding stock (I have only seen ONE example of this problem documented so it could have been a simple "one-of" turned into a propaganda issue). While not exactly a quality issue, the barrel has a twist best suited for 55-60 grain projectiles.

Caliber/Ammunition - The Daewoo rifle was available in .223/5.56 and 7.62 x 39 with the vast majority of this already scarce import into the US in the .223 version The Daewoo in the Soviet round version is rare enough to not even note, but they did exist. The basic .223 Daewoo rifle can make use of the accurate cartridge, in a reasonable way just not in the same class as the AR. The .223 is often faulted for it's small size but it is a centerfire cartridge and is one of the most popular cartridges used in the US with high quality commercial and surplus widely available at just about any location that sells ammunition.

Use - The Daewoo uses the AR magazine that is as common on the US market as rats in the feed barn. This handy carbine is quite suited to varmint hunting where iron sights and secondary follow up shots are needed. I only place the Kel-Tec SU16CA higher in rank because of the fact that the Kel-Tec is in production in the US and current. Replacement parts for this rifle series are available from Daewoo rifle parts Inc.

Current production - Sadly importation of any of the Daewoo versions of this rifle has halted, but there are more examples of this rifle in the US than the new ACR or the AR180 and are at least relatively available on the used market.

I consider this rifle an excellent choice, but possibly a second tier choice for shooters who feel the need for a small light rifle in the .223. With a selection of replacement parts this rifle would be more reliable than the AR direct impingement rifles with a bit less accuracy at lower prices than the SCAR, and most of the benefits. Sad this rifle is so uncommon and no longer available new.

Personal Critical Review of Firearms - The GLOCK "Safe Action" pistol

GLOCK "Safe Action” pistol

What can you say, Glock has become a household name, for good or ill it is associated with alphabet named statist thugs, bling incrusted gang-bangers, insane gunman shootings, and foot shooting law enforcement retards.

Reliability, dependability, and simplicity have become the calling card for the Glock, the simple pull the trigger trigger within a trigger safety has both fans and detractors, what you will not see are many questions about its usability and reliability. In many cases new gun owners will end up with a Glock of one of the various models as their first pistol, they are prolific in manufacture and in second hand sales.

The original ugly plastic gun, introduced with the same screaming incoherent babble from the statist left about undetectable terrorist/criminal weapon as you would expect from the ignorant gun-hating bed-wetters. As luck would have it Glock weathered all the first introduction negativity to become a powerhouse in the handgun market. Following the Henry Ford model of product choice the Glock handguns come in every color you want - as long as it is black, simple in operation and durable the ugly plastic handgun design from Gaston has led even hardened 1911 fans away from their cult fan club.

Personal - Glock and it's success was enough to make me consider my "metal only" frame of mind, while I ultimately did choose to keep a competitive product rather than a Glock what was clear was that the old thinking was, well, old... Right out of the box the standard sized and long versions of the Glock are very accurate, while not as accurate as a few newer handguns (and custom racing guns), the polygonal twists in the barrels make them far above just acceptable. The grip on most of the models seems to be designed for hands much smaller than my inflated mitts, but is reasonably comfortable for most but the smallest hands.

Why don't I have a Glock? Four reasons: no manual secondary safety, not designed for reloading, the religious-like fan club (particularly the thug wannabees) and finally the trigger, I find I dislike the hammerless disconnect handguns. I don't care that it is ugly, if given one, unlike an AR15 I would likely think seriously in keeping the Glock.

Function - Using quality (and often crappy also) ammunition any user should expect top-notch reliable function, I don't need to say much in this regard, I have never had a Glock owner tell me they quit the Glock because they have functional problems (this does not count the famous "kaboom" issue).

Design flaws - The main concerns about the Glock are well documented and almost endlessly hashed over, I am not going to fault the Glock within it's design limitations, but as usual point out the "outside design limitations". Reloading, without a doubt this for me is always a deal breaker, I must have the ability to design and handload for my guns, for the Glock with a stock barrel this is not an option I would recommend or attempt.

I am going to point out the unsupported lower position and the contribution this has to the "kaboom" issue, clearly reloaded ammunition is generraly at fault yet there are some documented cases of factory ammo Kbs. (note the site is run by a notorious former gun-rag jerk, and as much as I dislike this statist whorish ass-hat, his research on this issue is solid). I have seen some indication that there could be an issue with out of battery firing contributing to the Kb issue.

Most manufacturers of .40 ammo have redesigned their .40 cases just to compensate for the wide chamber and unsupported lower position of the Glocks. Such is the power of the market presence of the Glock that most ammunition makers have made this adjustment.

The trigger, what can I say, pull the trigger - gun go boom!, both elegant in simplistic function, and so capable of catching the unaware. Few internet youtube watchers have missed the films of "highly trained" cops and rent-a-cops shoot themselves because they could not understand the nature of the Glock trigger. Many people consider a well designed retention holster part of the necessary safety equipment for a Glock. If you cannot keep crap or your booger hook out of and off the trigger guard and trigger - this handgun is a dangerous bomb about to go off, I don't care if you shoot yourself, but a bystander is another story.

Here is a youtube link to the DEA dork who shot himself with a Glock fo-tay...



Quote -
"I'm the only one in this room professional enough that I know of to carry this glock-fo-tay"... Boom!

Quality - Glock is an example of what we would expect from quality first world "state of the art" manufacturing.

Caliber/Ammunition - Available in .380, 9mm, .357 Sig, .40, 10mm, .45 GAP, and .45 ACP outside of the 7.62x25 and 9 Mak there are not many holes in the Glock line.

Use - Glock has a large line of various size products to cover most meeds, from an open in a holster for utility and patrol handgun to concealed backup, you want it they make it.

Ergonomics - Ergonomic design is reasonable for the "average" hand and the handgun full size series points well, designed for quick target leveling.

Current production - Currently many models are in production, the term "cannot swing a dead cat" comes to mind, the Glock is everywhere in the US.

Personal Critical Review of Firearms - The HK SL7 rifle

The HK SL7 rifle/carbine.



The above photograph is of an HK SL7

I could not help myself and had to photograph the rifle on top of several of my flecktarn tent shelters. You will see this pattern often when I photograph items for this blog, flecktarn makes such a nice background.

Personal - The HK SL7 rifle is one of my all time personal favorite firearms. It has that old world wood stock and solid heft that are part of my "collector weaknesses". The HK SL7 rifle is a heavy full wooden stocked rifle in the same tradition as the M1, SVT40, M14, and FN49. The rifle is however basically a civilian rifle designed specifically for non-military civilian and police use.

Carbine in length, with an excellent balance, the SL7 is likely a contender for best auto-loading game stalking or horse mounted, deer and elk rifle ever produced. The short rifle while a bit heavy at 81/2 pounds points naturally, like a well made shotgun, the above photographed rifle was originally added to the collection for hunting elk.

Most examples of this rifle I have owned and have seen have exceptionally beautiful wood. A high quality wood was used in the stocks. I have seen burl, tiger stripe, and spalting, all are wood flaws but make the wood interesting and attractive. Some tiger-stripe is evident in the above photo. Sadly HK chose to cover this model's wood with some sort of urethane or clear coating (the above example was refinished with hand rubbed oil and wax).

Function - Reliable function on par with the M1 and FN 49. This rifle has an open top cover that is rail and screw tightened to the receiver in a was similar to the SKS carbine. The top cover has a relatively small ejection opening with has no cover it could collect dirt and sand. It may outwardly resemble a large SKS or even the FN 49 but like the HK 91 it has no gas system but rather a modified version of the delayed blowback system. The trigger of this rifle is excellent with a crisp break.

Design flaws - This rifle was at best a haphazard design based on the HK91, I can only say that it must have been an afterthought at best for HK. Almost as if HK management came to the design team and said "we need a rifle to follow our stupid European gun laws but shoots like the G3. Something we can turn into a hunting or training rifle" and it would seem the design team put a couple of newbie designers on the project.

Reasons to think that the SL7 (and this entire series) was designed haphazard or a "throw together:

1. Screw/track held top cover, not a quick on off, the top cover requires a metric allen wrench to remove, this takes a long time to unscrew.

2. No mechanical bolt/recoil buffer, the bolt slams into the rear of the machined receiver with only a pathetic little rubber/plastic piece in the rear of the action.

3. Safety on-off disconnect, the fire to safe condition mechanical lever is on the side of the rifle above and forward so far out of the way as to indicate that this was not designed, but was but rather placed there because the trigger housing and hammer dictated that placement.

4. Bolt charging handle on the right hand side is easy to break because it is complex with delicate parts requiring a special lever imbedded inside to break the bolt head from the locking position.

5. The trigger group of this rifle is overly complicated and cannot be modified or worked on.

6. The attachment for optics is placed on top of the removable receiver cover. The locking holes in the cover are designed for a proprietary detachable scope base, the original scope base seems to be more rare than the rifle, I was never satisfied with the return-to-zero capabilities. The excessive violence of the bolt moving inside of the action causes all but the best scope mounts to slip under the scope causing drift, this was a reoccurring problem I always had with this series of rifles.

7. The very small ejection port can become an issue as it works well with fired cases the small opening tends to block loaded rounds from positive ejection because the tips of the bullets tend to hit inside the port.

This rifle uses a proprietary detachable 3 or 10 round magazine that feeds .308/7.62, the design is robust but is limited to 10 rounds and is prohibitively expensive. The excessive ejection force and bolt movement (similar to the HK 91/G3) also will tend to force the casing to hit the rear of the receiver and bounce away leaving scratches and brass residue on the cover.

Quality - Very high quality machined construction, HK civilian guns are some of best in first world production.

Caliber/Ammunition - While the SL7 was produced in .308 other rifles of the series were capable of having alternative calibers available (many never were produced). The .308 is an accurate and effective cartridge. Some will find the full power rifle cartridge excessive in recoil but this short carbine is heavy enough to negate some of that recoil.

Use - Accuracy is excellent, with polygonal rifling and a fixed delayed blowback action all sitting on solid machined steel this rifle series is capable of sub MOA with quality ammunition. The SL7 uses an extremely expensive detachable proprietary magazine that is almost impossible to find.

Current production - None, there are no current produced rifles of this model and spare parts are few and rare. All the rifles of this model in circulation are part of the "collectable" market and sought after by collectors causing high prices.

I consider this rifle a third tier choice for the role of MBR, high price, no current production, and expensive rare magazines and spare parts are of primary concern and definite deal breaker. A solid, excellent, accurate, well made rifle (with a few flaws) that could be a multi-generational family heirloom but is difficult to find and maintain due to extreme rarity.



"HK. because you’re a civilian, ergo, you suck. And we hate you."

This is painfully true when looking at the replacement of this fine civilian rifle with the utter flop the HK SLB 2000 of course making the HKSL7 with a real buffer and able to take G3 magazines and I would still have that rifle you see above.